Rave = 1000 Revolutions Dance

[Lutz]

... Also....in the past people ...well... there was issues of people doing things that were...well...inappropriate if you catch my drift.

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OH MAN I just lost my shit

Who would seriously orfgrbo\w

[DJ YUKKURi]

First off, obviously I would recommend this being an 18+ event only. This is family friendly but it would depend on where it would be and how many people you have as with minors it could get tough to manage. I am just recommending this from my experiences with security, or convention raves, parties, etc.

While it may be good in theory, that would end up greatly restricting the turnout in practice. What you'll probably want to do instead is have the dance be all-ages until Midnight, or whatever time the general Minors curfew goes into effect, and then run the dance as 18+ from Midnight until closing.

[Sgt_Superhero]

First off, obviously I would recommend this being an 18+ event only. This is family friendly but it would depend on where it would be and how many people you have as with minors it could get tough to manage. I am just recommending this from my experiences with security, or convention raves, parties, etc.

While it may be good in theory, that would end up greatly restricting the turnout in practice. What you'll probably want to do instead is have the dance be all-ages until Midnight, or whatever time the general Minors curfew goes into effect, and then run the dance as 18+ from Midnight until closing.

DJ YUKKURi,

I agree a family fun event is something that we would want. From experiance I can speak for myself given my past experiances working security for concerts, clubs, parties, raves, etc. as security or security supervisor and given my experiance from the past and currently within Law Enforcement I can tell you that 18+ is a good thing. I can speak for some Senior Attendee Services Members including "Swampthing" on the AR Forums who have over at least 5 Years + working Security, Working at clubs/raves, and bars. I do not know how long the event party/rave is going to go on until but for example I could see them doing a party or rave or dance with all ages until 10-11pm. Most conventions have a curfew for minors at 10-11pm. But after that it would have to be 18+ only.

The reason for this is there have always been people who try to ruin the party for everyone. Also, depending on the type of party or rave it can create an innapropriate scenrio for younger attendees. For example once the "lights go off" it really creates a difficult scenario for us as Attendee Services Members trying to ensure that people are behaving appropriately , respectfully and reasonably. When you bring minors into the situation it can create a situation where people start to act innapropriately (grinding, performing indecent acts, being aggresive, "mosh pits") and when you include the possibilty of narcotics possibly being brought in which is a very common trend this creates a dangerous scenario for not only the 18+ attendees but the minors especially. Thinking from a responsibility point of view I would assume parents wouldnt want their 17 year oldand under minor, son or daughter at an event that is past 10-11pm in downtown vancouver.

Just my opinion. But I know that the AR staff and AR Attendee Services Team just want to ensure a safe, responsible and fun enviorment for all attendees and staff, just like for the rest of the convention.

Regards,

The "Sgt,"

[electroactive]

your typical EDM events held at the Convention center closes by 1 or 1.30am anyways.
If you really wanted to hold an 19+ anime dance, host an afterparty at a club!

[emi]

your typical EDM events held at the Convention center closes by 1 or 1.30am anyways.
If you really wanted to hold an 19+ anime dance, host an afterparty at a club!

I completely agree with this!

I don't believe the dance should be restricted to 18+ because a dance should be enjoyed by everyone as we are a family event.

The RAST is there to enforce convention policies and there are convention security who can press legal charges as well. They will definitely want to be present at a dance like this. It will be harder for people to bring in alcohol and other illegal substances-- we can create guidelines for entering the dance (ie: you cannot carry a bag/(personal or not)water bottle... etc) to make it more difficult. And also have RAST check the bathrooms from time to time. Of course, anyone who seems inebriated or under the influence of illegal substances, we can escort them out and alert the green coats. Also, I believe that the Supervisor and the Senior RAST members should be the ones INSIDE the dance while other RAST members will check bathrooms and do personal badge checks. We can also request ID at the door... anything that seems too revealing is against our convention policies on being a family event, so we can refuse entrance... there are a lot of things that can be factored and bent to make this an all-round safer event. Announcing a time to do a minor-sweep at 11pm can allow people who are 18+ to dance for 3 hours just by themselves. If the dance starts at 9pm, then majority of the children under 15 would likely not be able to attend... just things like that we can think about. Also heavily announce + enforce the potential consequences for breaking these rules. Or we can even turn on the lights from time to time (although I'm sure people would dislike this idea...).

Any other ideas on how we can create a safe environment for all ages to dance in? Making the minor-sweep a public announcement to encourage those who are a little more wilder to come to the dance after 11pm? Or event have an 18+ dance event on another night?

I honestly think that it being 18+ will make the environment a little more dangerous only because persons over 19 can drink before they attend the dance and they will think that doing anything will be fine because they are legally their own person.

Anything I have written here is just my personal opinion and all.



Now, as for the name. I suggest we drop the term "rave" and call it: "The Revelation"

How's that for interesting and catchy?

[DJ YUKKURi]

Now, as for the name. I suggest we drop the term "rave" and call it: "The Revelation"

How's that for interesting and catchy?

Only if you're willing to serve pancakes at Noon the next day at an event called "The Revoluncheon".

[electroactive]

I completely agree with this!

I don't believe the dance should be restricted to 18+ because a dance should be enjoyed by everyone as we are a family event.

Any other ideas on how we can create a safe environment for all ages to dance in? Making the minor-sweep a public announcement to encourage those who are a little more wilder to come to the dance after 11pm? Or event have an 18+ dance event on another night?

I honestly think that it being 18+ will make the environment a little more dangerous only because persons over 19 can drink before they attend the dance and they will think that doing anything will be fine because they are legally their own person.

Now, as for the name. I suggest we drop the term "rave" and call it: "The Revelation"

How's that for interesting and catchy?

in toronto last year - they had a fenced off area for the DJ and dancefloor. by about 9pm, the small dancefloor was full, the parking lot surrounding it was filled with ppl dancing and fighting with light sabres hahahahahaha.
this was SEPERATE from the cosplayers' ball, which was a formal.
imo, the parking lot party took the cake.. but i'm just ghetto.

the dansu should be open-ages but it should shut down by 10-11pm like yukkari said. anything that goes beyond midnight should really be held at an alcohol-friendly venue. i think in LA, kids can party till later but vancouver can't handle this. someone ALWAYS has to ruin it. if the venue was at sfu or ubc - it mite be ok but not in the downtown core.

one other thing, people that attended the formal in toronto were NOT allowed to dress up as gundam or something out of the ordinary (ie. yaya han's crazy elegant costumes). dunno if that'll help you.

[emi]

I think if the venue was at UBC or SFU, it would definitely restrict us even further. Late night partying would definitely raise other concerns as well, like attracting people who are not a part of our event.

Also, it's a different thing for attendees to arrange to go clubbing or go have a drink after. But in the end, as a general consensus of our executive board, we cannot move to an alcohol-friendly venue because we cannot, and will not, be responsible for inebriated attendees or condone such behaviour as a family-friendly event.

Like you said, someone has to ruin it for others-- some people cannot drink responsibly. These people may potentially endanger those around them as well.

Of course, this is our main concern regarding to allowing alcohol at our event. But there are other things that factor into this decision: how will we move the equipment from one venue to another? How much time will it take to move the attendees who are dancing until 12am to the alcohol-friendly venue?

But thank you for your suggestions. We do appreciate them! And thanks for letting us know about the dress code at the formal! That's really interesting for sure. I'll definitely pass the message on for you.

[twtmc]

I don't believe the dance should be restricted to 18+ because a dance should be enjoyed by everyone as we are a family event.

God I hope it's not a "family event". Anime cons are supposed to be family friendly (as in, you can bring your kids and probably not be offended by what you see in all areas not rated above G), but they should certainly not be family oriented.

The RAST is there to enforce convention policies and there are convention security who can press legal charges as well. They will definitely want to be present at a dance like this. It will be harder for people to bring in alcohol and other illegal substances.

Alcohol? Yes. Party drugs? Not a chance. I have been to raves where they searched us so thoroughly it was illegal (inside wallets, under tongues) and I STILL got offered drugs the moment after stepping in. Realistically a cop might scare a few people but it certainly didn't deter anything last time I was at Sakura-Con.

-- we can create guidelines for entering the dance (ie: you cannot carry a bag/(personal or not)water bottle... etc) to make it more difficult. And also have RAST check the bathrooms from time to time.

No personal water bottle runs a HUGE risk of having at least one person pass out from heat exhaustion. People dancing = overheated. People in costume = possibly overheated. I don't see why an event would exchange x number of easily preventable injuries from happening in order to prevent ~x number of people from doing drugs.

Of course, anyone who seems inebriated or under the influence of illegal substances, we can escort them out and alert the green coats. Also, I believe that the Supervisor and the Senior RAST members should be the ones INSIDE the dance while other RAST members will check bathrooms and do personal badge checks. We can also request ID at the door... anything that seems too revealing is against our convention policies on being a family event, so we can refuse entrance... there are a lot of things that can be factored and bent to make this an all-round safer event. Announcing a time to do a minor-sweep at 11pm can allow people who are 18+ to dance for 3 hours just by themselves. If the dance starts at 9pm, then majority of the children under 15 would likely not be able to attend... just things like that we can think about. Also heavily announce + enforce the potential consequences for breaking these rules. Or we can even turn on the lights from time to time (although I'm sure people would dislike this idea...).

So basically try to remind everyone that they are being watched and then proceed to watch them? I see no problem with just sitting back and letting the mob police itself on the inside and just have simple, easy checkpoints for getting in (maybe show their pass? show ID after curfew?). No more (hopefully even less) than any other rave in an official venue would have. Hunt for witches and everyone is gonna start getting pissed that they have to prove they aren't witches.

Any other ideas on how we can create a safe environment for all ages to dance in? Making the minor-sweep a public announcement to encourage those who are a little more wilder to come to the dance after 11pm? Or event have an 18+ dance event on another night?

I honestly think that it being 18+ will make the environment a little more dangerous only because persons over 19 can drink before they attend the dance and they will think that doing anything will be fine because they are legally their own person.

As someone who used to drink at cons quite heavily (and only stopped when I got caught a year and a half later) I can tell you; people who wanna drink at cons are gonna drink at cons. The way to avoid having the drunk people go to the rave? Have lots of late night programming for them to go to when they decide that they can't take the smell of weeb funk anymore. Not hard to have 1 security guard catch the one guy yelling dumb stuff and heckling in some 18+ panel because he is drunk.

[DJ YUKKURi]

No personal water bottle runs a HUGE risk of having at least one person pass out from heat exhaustion. People dancing = overheated. People in costume = possibly overheated. I don't see why an event would exchange x number of easily preventable injuries from happening in order to prevent ~x number of people from doing drugs.

Sakura-Con had like, 6 or more water dispensers (the ones that white-collar employees tend to gather around on company time) with an assload of paper cups inside the actual dance space along the back wall. If hydration is provided to attendees within the space, then the no-water-bottles policy shouldn't be much of an issue. Just make sure the water provided is at a suitable temperature.

Hunt for witches and everyone is gonna start getting pissed that they have to prove they aren't witches.

Just have the dance staffed by Magical Girls. Not a big deal.